Sustainable Movement & Enjoying the Journey with Theo Necker - EP. 2

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Hey folks, I'm absolutely thrilled to have finally released the first episode of the Why We Move podcast. You've been telling me (and I've been thinking) for ages to do a podcast - but like many things in life, I didn't get round to it. But here we are - there's no better time than now.

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Sustainable Movement & Enjoying the Journey with Theo Necker | Episode #1

Theo is a multi-disciplinary mover from Minden, Germany, who has a diverse practice encompassing acrobatics, tricking, yoga, Capoeira, hand-balancing and parkour. Theo is a SWF Mover and the author of our first two Movement Guides - the Press Handstand and the Pancake Stretch. You can check out Theo's practice on Instagram @mindsetoftheo

Transcript

 

Jake Wood (00:01):

Hey folks, this is Jake from So We Flow and you're listening to the "Why we move podcast". We speak to incredible movers from all sorts of disciplines to share their stories and give you practical and inspirational advice on movement and living a happy, healthy life. We welcome beginners and experts, introverts and extroverts, fanatics and casuals to better themselves and inspire others.

Jake Wood (00:30):

Hey guys, this is the first ever "Why we move" podcast and I'd to take this time to apologize for the audio quality in the first three episodes. I'm a complete podcast novice, even though I've been on a few before. I did these first episodes without a microphone, a filter, headphones. So there's a few glitchy moments, the internet wasn't so great. And I'd just like to assure you that going forward, I'll be using top level equipment. So the audio quality will always be great. At least on my side. I really, you enjoy the episode.

Jake Wood (01:04):

Today, we're talking about movement, good living, what it takes to incorporate sustainable movement into your life and personal development with Theo Necker who is not only an incredibly proficient, diverse and passionate mover, but someone who has become a close friend of mine and part of the "So we flow" team. Thanks for joining us Theo.

Theo Necker (01:28):

Thanks for having me, Jake. I feel honored to be on your first podcast ever. Yeah. To those people who do not know me, my name is Theo. I'm 20 years old and I am a mover by heart. So I move in a variety of disciplines like Capoeira, Paku, break dance, mainly yoga and a lot of other things. And yeah, I got introduced to So we flow, three years ago or something. We just had a quick chat and I really liked this stuff that is Jake promoting and doing, and that's how we got together. And now I'm part of the team I would say.

Jake Wood (02:08):

I Would say so as well. I think we've definitely got to that point now.

Jake Wood (02:15):

Definitely feels that way. So I think the best way to kick this off is to ask you when and how did you get into movement?

Theo Necker (02:29):

I was always an active person and I started with soccer when I was four years old. So I was always running and active. And I think I got into the movement game first when I was maybe 14 years old, because I saw a clip on the TV of a guy running up a wall and doing a wall flip. And I was like can this be true? Is it reality? Or is it just fake or something you just see on TV? And then my mother told me there are people who can do it. And so I got into, into Paku first and later on some tricking and Capoeira, and things just built up. So I think the start was when I was a teenager. So around 14 years old and later on I dropped soccer when I was 21 and for the half of my life I would call a mover.

Jake Wood (03:20):

Brilliant. And so you obviously started in a very sort of classic sport such as soccer or whatever, but you were inspired by this wall flip. So how did you kind of go from there to where you are now?

Theo Necker (03:36):

As I said it just built it up. So I would say first I was very externally driven. So people told me what to do. That's because I played soccer. People wanted me to play soccer and after that I wanted to impress people. So I was looking for those fancy moves, like wall flips and stuff. And then it just developed through my own interest, like internal driven. I would say, I just figured out what I enjoy more and what are my strengths and my weaknesses. And after that, I just figured out that I need to focus on the things that will help me to move for a longer period. Not just for couple of years, but when I get older. And so it all shifted from those extreme things, like break dancing, cliff jumping, and tricking whatever to more casual ways like flow movement and soft Capoeira, and yoga and everything that just builds up right now my own practice.

Jake Wood (04:42):

I think like from obviously seeing the stuff you do in an intimate way, as you obviously share so much of it with me and So we flow in the community, I think the one thing that stands out about your practice for me is like, you can't really pinpoint it or pigeonhole what you're doing. Like, I think personally for me, what I do is very much like this is yoga or like this is calisthenics, whereas for you, I'm kind of like Theo just moves his body in cool ways. I think that's something that a lot of people will never sort of reach that level, I imagine. And I guess it's interesting for me to know, like how, did it fall into that place that it is now. Or for you, does it even feel like that? Do you feel it is more sort of regimented than I am perceiving it or other people might perceive it

Theo Necker (05:38):

Well, so first thank you. I feel honored that you described my practice, my movement like this. It's funny because I would call it like a journey of different stages because I always focused on one thing for a couple of years. So let's say I was in a break dance group for two to three years, and I was mainly focusing on break dance. And there, I learned a lot of stuff that will help me, for example, for instance freezes and for power moves for flexibility. And then I wouldn't say I got tired of it, but there was something more interesting that just caught my attention. And so I moved on to a different aspect, a different stage, which was, for example, let's say climbing or bouldering. And so I figured out that I need to be very technical. And so there were different stages with different aspects, with different focuses.

Theo Necker (06:31):

And so right now it's just that I can take a tiny bit of every practice that I ever did in my life. And I can just build them together and to me, it's just so I can just bust out like a Webster right now.I don't have to think about it because I did it in the past for a couple of years and it's still there and I can do the same with breakdown moves. I can do the same with flips from a cliff or whatever you want to call it. And right now it's just a playful approach. So I have all those skills and I have all those ideas and all those understandings of the movement. And I can just take whatever I want to enjoy it at this moment. So it's more like it's just a playground. So yeah, I worked for it in the past and now it's just having fun.

Jake Wood (07:21):

I think that's a great way to describe it. When you say it like that, it makes complete sense. And I guess it's kind of the way that outsiders might see that is like, sort of magnified by the effect of social media. And obviously you can be like a snapshot of what you were doing that day and like what that move is, what that trick is. When it's maybe doesn't it doesn't show what's gone into that to create it. And your practice very much, you don't show so much of just the day to day stuff. It is more like impactful, like the stuff that you've worked hard for in those results.

Theo Necker (08:04):

Totally. It's just like Instagram to me is just some highlights. And I just put all the highlights of the last years that, brought me to this place and I just put them together.

Jake Wood (08:15):

For sure. So what, specifically makes your movement practice important to you? Obviously you got into it inspired by something quite superficial for sake of a better word, but obviously nowadays it will mean something much greater to you. So what does it mean to you personally?

Theo Necker (08:41):

So it became just a huge part of myself, of my identity, I would say. So if we talk about yoga, we want to let go over the ego and we don't want to be too much into ourselves. But I would say that movement is if you think about Theo, or if you think about my account, you would always like have a stamp on it and say, okay, this guy is a mover. So it is part of my identity. So to me, I have five big parts in my life that I would call the most important aspects that will bring me a happy life. And if I'm good and healthy in those five areas, then, I will be okay. And movement, or physical health is a big part of it. So I see my movement practice more as a support or something that I have to do to be happy because it brings me a lot of joy and a lot of enthusiasm.

Theo Necker (09:40):

So it's one thing that I have to do because I want it deep in myself. On the other side, it's just a place where I can always go every day to find myself again. It's like a meditation, like a moving meditation or something where I know I would get energy out of it. So if I'm at work and I have to invest a lot of energy and I'm stressed out and people just annoy me, if I go back to my practice, it's just like a source or a fountain of energy where I'm going to energize again. Get back to my personal fountain of happines.

Jake Wood (10:19):

So out of interest I've got to ask what are the other four things?

Theo Necker (10:25):

The first step would be mental health, like seizing chances, getting comfortable, being uncomfortable, educating myself, learning languages, writing a journal and stuff like that. And the fifth part would be like emotional health. So this is probably the most important one. And this is just to remind myself to socialize, to be a good person, to be there for family and friends, to reflect on my life. To keep smiling, to be a positive person, to leave a positive impact, stuff like that. So every morning I just go through all those five areas and I hope that it gets into my subconsciousness. So when I just tackle the day, there are a lot of things that I have deep inside of myself that I know why I work for. And they would just like point in one direction where I know I'm going to end up happy.

Jake Wood (11:25):

I think I have a similar sort of landscape of things as well. And I think it's interesting how kind of through a movement practice, like these other things you become more aware of them and they become more obvious to you. And it's strange when you obviously see lots of the general population just doing like exercise, so to speak. And it's very much like boxed in. This is exercise, so separate from everything else. It's isolated from everything else. And I think you know a lot of people will be like, what's the difference between movement and exercise. And I think that movement is more of a whole, it's part of everything. And it kind of opens your eyes to everything else in your life. Be it the obvious ones, like nutrition and sleep maybe, but also connection with other people, your mental state. Connection with nature, your personal development and it kind of all moulds into this, one thing that becomes like your whole. And for me that's what I feel is the difference.

Jake Wood (12:36):

So I guess off the back of that, this is kind of the same questions I asked you before, but it has a kind of different meaning. I'm going to say what is movement to you, but not in terms of what it means to, you but what does the word actually mean to you? Does that make sense to you?

Theo Necker (12:59):

There's this amazing quote. I actually don't know who said it, but movement or to be in motion to move something, to move on there's this quote called or it says the only consistent is change. So in my past, I really tried to stick to things that make me happy. And I was really like broken down and sad, for example, if my girlfriend broke up with me or if I had knee surgery and I felt that I might not be able to move as I wanted, as I did before. And there were some like setbacks in my life, I always tried to just stick to those positive things. And I did want to let go and let change happen. And actually movement really teaches me to be able to let go. Because every time when you start a new movement approach or a new area, or if you have like a new move that you want to learn, there is nothing you can really hold on to.

Theo Necker (14:04):

You just have to be open minded. You just have to let go of control sometimes. For example, if you go for a double, a triple flip, you can't control it in the first try. You just have to believe in it. You just have to trust it, go for intuition and just let go. So I would say the word or the term movement, what does it mean to me? It just means, you can use it as a metaphor for your life. To be able to let go of your control. To be able to accept change and to be okay with it. Something like that? I would say.

Jake Wood (14:40):

I think I couldn't agree more. I think it does become sort of this vessel for accepting change. And I think there's nothing more obvious to us than like the way our body changes and the way we feel in our bodies day to day. So you can almost use that as like a cornerstone for everything else in your life that's changing around you. I think change is a really interesting point actually, because obviously a lot of people out there will have movement goals. So I think maybe this flows into sort of talking about goals and getting there quite well. Obviously in order to achieve a goal that's beyond where you are now, change is absolutely required. I know you mentioned that quote before I've heard a few, but there's, one from Albert Einstein and he says, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Jake Wood (15:43):

And I think so many of us are guilty of that with movement practices and goals and sort of believing, I've been working so hard to get to this place. But you've actually not been doing the right thing or not been making the right changes to get where you want to be. And when that time period comes up, you're like, why have I not achieved this thing that I was setting my mind to do? So I guess, given you have worked so hard towards all these physical abilities, what advice would you give to people listening about sort of achieving goals and like the process to get yourself there? From your experience?

Theo Necker (16:26):

Pretty good question. So what I figured out in my short journey of movement, or long whatever you want to judge 14 years. The sad thing about achieving goals is this emptiness afterwards. So let's say you go for a very difficult move that takes you like three, four or five years. Not actually practicing this specific move, but you need to prepare your body. You need to get flexible. You need to learn muscle memory. And finally, after five years of a lot of practice and training and tears and blood and whatever, you just achieve your goal and you can smash out this flip or this trick or this skill whenever you want, wherever you want. And after that, you just realize you just reached your goal and what's next? There's this huge emptiness, because this was part of your life for five years.

Theo Necker (17:25):

Okay. So you really dedicated your day to day business to achieve this goal. And afterwards you're just like, okay, now I got it. And it's quite not interesting to me anymore. So if I meet people, they always say, do you know how to back flip? Of course, I know how to back flip, but it's not interesting to me anymore because I achieved it. To me it would be more interesting, can I balance on one arm because I didn't reach it yet. So the message of what I would recommend to people is, to understand like normal quote, the path is the goal. So you won't be fulfilled and you won't be happy once you reach your goal, or once you unlock the skill, because then you will just look for something else. You just going to look for another move that is more complicated.

Theo Necker (18:11):

That is harder to learn. And you're just going to fall in love again with the process and you will enjoy just learning it. So for example, to me, the air flare, the master break dance power move, like I've been practicing this stuff for like six or seven years now. And I still didn't figure out how to do it multiple ways. I messed up my shoulders, it's really frustrating, but that's why I love this move. If I would wake up tomorrow and I would be able to do it, there would be like a huge hole like emptiness in front of me. It would be sad because the longer the journey takes, the more fun it makes.

Jake Wood (18:48):

Well, that's an amazing perspective. Because it's interesting the way you said it because immediately I thought about that exact situation, is talked about a lot when it comes to like money and possessions. And obviously, someone might be thinking when I earn 50,000 pounds a year, then I'll be happy. And then they get to 50,000 pounds year. And then they're like, when I'm earning 75,000 pounds a year, then it'll happen as if something will just change. And that's kind of one of the first times I've heard it where it seems to reflect that so much. So I wonder, is there something bad about wanting a movement goal and really focusing on it so much? Because in a way you could describe it as being almost like a want and a material thing such as money or like a nice car or a house. Can that be toxic to you?

Theo Necker (19:46):

Yes it can be toxic as you just said. If you seek fulfillment in this materialistic approach or if you seriously believe that this one step will make you happy. But on the other side I feel like goals are nothing else like a vision. So you need to have a goal because if you don't have a goal, you don't know which direction you're going to go. So if you really want to process in your training and in your skill set. Of course, we need a playful approach, but then you need to train seriously. There's no gambling around, no playing around in that term. So you need to understand where you want to go and having a goal is the most important thing, because if you don't see the peak of the mountain, you actually just wander around like left and right.

Theo Necker (20:37):

And you don't know where to go. So I would say it can be toxic. Of course, if you misinterpret it. Like in a wrong way. But if you do understand that the goal is just like the carrot in front of the donkey. Like it just shows the direction where you need to go. And for the donkey, it's not important where he's going, because he just wants to reach his goal. And that's exactly the same with me. So my goal is to be a healthy, good skillful mover. And if it takes me through ballet or if it takes me through swimming or dancing or whatever, I don't mind. I have an overall goal and that's where I want to go. So I would say it's half, half. It can be toxic, yes. If you just misunderstand it. But on the other hand, it's very important to have goals because they will just show you your path where you have to go.

Theo Necker (21:34):

Do you agree with that one.

Jake Wood (21:36):

I completely agree. I think goals have helped me so much, not just in a movement practice. But just in day to day life. I think as long as you don't put too much emotional value onto them and you see them as targets and nothing else and don't make it part of your identity, then there's nothing wrong with it. And actually, you almost create accountability for yourself. You feel like someone's watching you and you need to get it done and it can motivate you to take that extra step. Just last week I had a goal. I just wanted to get a client for my health coaching. I just had one week left to do it on my goal board. And I'd been putting it off, putting it off, putting it off.

Jake Wood (22:26):

And then literally when I saw that that goal was within a week when I'd had like almost a month to do it, I just took serious action to make it happen. And then literally like the day I did it, I got that client. But if that wasn't written on my wall, I would've never done that. I would've forever just been like, it doesn't matter. I'll do it next month. And when I did it, I felt amazing. And it definitely wasn't like the way you described a movement goal where it left a hole in my life, I actually, I knew that it was just one step in the journey and I was always aware of that. And it was super fulfilling, but I wasn't like attached to it anyway, but having it there definitely was what made it happen. If it wasn't there I don't think it would've happened.

Jake Wood (23:16):

And that's just the honest truth. So I think obviously we've talked lots about more of learning advanced skills, goals, your movement practices. Obviously very advanced compared to the majority of people that probably are listening to this. One thing that is a big part of So we flow and definitely my philosophy is a sustainable movement practice. So the things that we do day to day just to keep our bodies healthy, mobile and happy. And I know you are a massive proponent of that as well. We might see all the amazing tricks and skills that you have, but you also have a very dedicated and consistent daily routine. So what are three most important considerations for people that want to maintain a sustainable movement practice over time.

Theo Necker (24:16):

I'm just going to brainstorm. We're going to see how many we going to end up. So when I have clients and they tell me they have pain in their back, or they just want to learn to touch their toes or just want to feel better. [inaudible 00:24:46] What's an important aspect to me is that those people need to understand that you need to fall in love with what you're doing. So someone wants to lose weight, just go on a running track. It will have the effect that you wish it's going to have, but you won't enjoy it. And if you really want to integrate it like sustainable in your life for next couple of 10, 20, 30 years, you need to find something you're really going to enjoy.

Theo Necker (25:15):

So I don't really enjoy calisthenics because it's not the thing I'm really good at. Okay. So what I enjoy is flow moves. So to be supple, to move aesthetic like a dancer. And so I need to focus on those things that bring me joy. Certain practice, or my daily sessions really just focus on those things that bring me joy. Because I will have this feeling of happiness afterwards. I want to come back tomorrow. I want back tomorrow. I only focus on those things that are hard and exhausting and do have like a great effect on my physical approach on my physical appearance. It's just going to be hard to stay motivated and to get back to it. So first advice is figure out what you really enjoy. So if you're not into movement and you are a teammate, sportsman person, just go and start volleyball or whatever.

Theo Necker (26:19):

So figure out what you love. Second is try to integrate it into your daily schedule. So my movement practice is not only when I'm in the gym, it's during the day, just what you do. So if I'm sitting in front of a computer, I sit in a half lotus position. Or I just sit on the phone, so every 30 minutes I do just some spinal waves. Yes exactly, Jake is just showing how he's sitting in full lotus, perfect. Just stuff like that. So just integrate some movement task into your life. Into your daily schedule, to have a bigger time schedule of movement in your day. [inaudible 00:27:05] And the third one would be stick to the basics, I guess. Because as we were talking about goals, we always see ourselves balancing on one finger or doing the full planche or the full front lever.

Theo Necker (27:16):

But those things actually, if we talk about sustainability, going to mess up your body because they're super intense. And if you don't prepare yourself well for it, you're going to mess it up and you're going to have pain. I have knee surgery and shoulder pain. So what I would recommend is just stick to the basics, even though they don't look impressive and you just can't upload them on Instagram or get one million likes for it because it's something super special, just try to stick to those things that are easy. And that will help you to provide a body that is able to move for multiple decades. So first would be fall in love. Second would be integrate it into your daily schedule. And the third thing would be like stick to the basics. The most advanced skills will just grow out of the basics, but don't just overshoot, I guess.

Jake Wood (28:15):

I think you couldn't have chosen three better pieces of advice then I think I would've probably said exactly the same thing. I think definitely as I've got older and my practice has matured and I've obviously become a mature person I've gone through more life experiences. I think those things have just become more and more important to me. And it's for all those reasons, every movement practice, if I only have 30 minutes, I want to make sure it's something I love doing and I enjoy. And the same with doing the basics. If you only have 30 minutes, then just do the core things that make you feel good and are good for your body. And that's, what's worked for me over the years. And I think since I've become a dad now and work's a lot busier and you have all life's commitments, it becomes even more important.

Jake Wood (29:11):

And I wouldn't say it annoys me, maybe a bit strong, but I find that sometimes people think that movement has to be really difficult and hard. And they just believe that that's the only way to get where they want to be. So you obviously see someone that goes from no exercise to pounding the pavement, running for 30 minutes, 40 minutes. And there's just nothing sustainable about that whatsoever. For everyone, it's not good for you. It's not sustainable mentally. It's not sustainable physically because you're just doing so much too fast and you're not concentrating on what you love first. So I completely agree in the sense, if you're not doing anything right now, you need to just find something you love doing. Because that is better than nothing. In the sort of hierarchy of movement, the base level is just doing something.

Jake Wood (30:08):

Finding something that's effective for this very precise thing. Whether it's doing the planche, losing weight, getting bigger thighs, I don't know. This is so much higher up the pyramid if you're doing nothing. So you need to focus on the base first, build up those foundations. And I think going to your second point, so about obviously being into your day. Again, most of the people that I work with are busy working men. So these guys, this is their biggest problem. Is about finding time to do movement and recognizing that it's not about going to the gym for an hour. There's way more sort of involved ways of doing it, where it just fits seamlessly into your lifestyle.

Jake Wood (30:59):

And I'm just the same as you. I'll sit in squat positions, sit cross leg. On an evening, if I'm chilling, watching a movie or something, I'll just do some yin style stretches whilst I'm doing it or reading or whatever.

Jake Wood (31:15):

And just the biggest one, just go for a walk outside. It is literally the most powerful thing. And I struggled for a long time. I'm sure you've had this as well when you've been in training phases where you actually are working towards specific goals, but where, if you miss a session for whatever reason, you feel guilty about it and you feel like the day has almost not been fulfilled.

Jake Wood (31:42):

I struggled with that for a long time. And more recently now, for me, all it takes is a few simple things. Which is go for a walk, get outside every day, have a cold shower in the morning and just sit in some stretches like on an evening. And if I do that every day, my body feels good, which is obviously super important and I feel good mentally as well. And I think it's become very interesting to me how little movement it actually takes to feel physically good. I honestly think, I feel more mobile now than I have in my entire life. And I'm probably training a quarter of the time. What is that about? It's crazy. Right?

Theo Necker (32:32):

I think there's the biggest aspect would be being effective. So if you can go to the gym for two hours and pretend to work out for two hours, or you just can do a home workout for 20 minutes and really work out for 20 minutes and it's going to be more effective. But one more thing as you just said, because you try to get those movement snacks during the day, or just sitting in a lotus right now. So maybe for the listeners could be interesting. I don't know your room yet, but I would bet like you have no chairs. Right?

Jake Wood (33:07):

Well, we have sofas and chairs, but they're rarely used by me.

Theo Necker (33:13):

So yeah, same to me. So I live by myself. I just have a small room and I don't own any chair. So I have a small table. I can sit on the floor and I have a meditation pillow. Even my bed is just on the floor. It's just the mattress on the floor. So when I wake up, I have to stand up from the floor, like in a squatting position. And so the same with sitting, if you have to sit on the floor, you are forced to be more flexible, more mobile, and you're just moving more than sitting on a chair in front of a table. So just like inspiration for the listeners could be to, to change your environment. There we have changed again. To force yourself, to move even more. There are so many things. You can get rid of your car and you move more. There are so many aspects that you can change around yourself that will help you to change from the inside.

Jake Wood (34:08):

I think sitting on the floor is a really interesting one. I think it's almost, in terms of the general conventional wisdom surrounding it, it kind of fits in that category of walking barefoot. It's a bit like hippy kind of vibes. And it seems like a dramatic change to your life, but it's just because there's so much conventional wisdom in our society built up around chairs. And sitting in chairs. How many times, probably every day someone's like, oh, sit down, sit down. People just do that. Don't they? They offer you chairs, have a seat. I'm fine, standing's cool. I'm so cool with standing right now.

Jake Wood (34:55):

And it's just so strange how it is just such a societal norm. And that position in a chair like that, is just one of the worst things for our bodies. I've only really dedicated myself to not using chairs very often in the last few years. And I can honestly say my body has never felt better. And when I sit in a chair now I'm genuinely uncomfortable. I can feel the way that it's placed in my spine and the way that it's affecting my hips just in literally a few minutes. So once you've done it for a while, you don't want to be in a chair anywhere.

Theo Necker (35:34):

Exactly.

Jake Wood (35:37):

It's just a crazy thing really. And it's definitely been one of the things that's impacted my body the most more than anything. And it really isn't drastic at all. Your home is your safe space, right. I'm pretty sure you can sit on the floor without judgment from anyone. Maybe your partner will be like, oh, why sat on the floor? And, but it they'll get over it. Right. They'll get over it. So I'm going to ask you one more question that I think is I'm thinking this might be a question that I ask everyone that comes on the So we flow podcast at the end, it's quite a profound one that surpasses movement. And you've actually answered this question before, when you've done the, the Men that move interview, but maybe things have changed this time. So we'll see what you say. So if you could share one message to every single person on the planet, what would you say and why?

Theo Necker (36:34):

Oh boy. I must be careful for that question. And I forget what I said before.

Jake Wood (36:43):

Well we could read it out, but let's go for, let's go for something new.

Theo Necker (36:46):

The last time we talked about this question. So what would I recommend to every person on this planet right now, not in terms of movement, just in general terms, right?

Jake Wood (37:02):

Whatever you want, whatever you feel you want to say. If you could say one thing to every single person what would that be?

Theo Necker (37:12):

Life is a game. Enjoy it. Try not to be too hard with yourself. Try not to judge others. Love is the answer. And ego is just something that's holding you back. Go all in. Change is the only consistency. Chase your dreams have fun.

Jake Wood (37:37):

I'm sure people will appreciate that. So Theo thank you.

Theo Necker (37:41):

I tried. At least I tried.

Jake Wood (37:43):

I thought it was great. I loved it. So Theo thank you so much for being part of the first So we flow podcast. And we didn't even talk about loads of the stuff that we wanted to talk about. So he did a handstand training course in the Austrian Alps, and then he's been traveling for five weeks around Europe. Teaching yoga in a surf camp in France and just came back from a road trip in Switzerland. So what we're going to have to do is just have you back on to talk about all that stuff. And you obviously have future travels and how you're moving into teaching more and trying to make that full time. I think people would love to know how you're making that transition from working in a city job to becoming a full-time movement teacher. So we'll have you back on in the future and we can get down to the deep, deep bones of that.